I really hope there is a callback to this shot in cap 2, because it was clearly meant as foreshadowing (mark of quality literature!) and I want to see cap 2 pay that off.
Oh, me too, absolutely. I haven’t watched the CA:TFA DVD commentary, but I know that Joe Johnston knew very well about what happens to Bucky in canon and he wanted to include shout-outs about the Winter Soldier. At the time of making CA:TFA the creative team had no idea what the sequel would be about, but they still sneaked in some little details.
So while, to be fair, there is not enough foreshadowing in CA:TFA if it and the sequel are meant as a cohesive whole with a shared narrative continuity (and while I disagree with the idea that there should have been more Bucky in CA:TFA — since it’s not a movie about Bucky, it’s a movie about Steve [which is why I’m so anxious about TWS, because it should be about Steve as opposed to an ensemble SHIELD movie, etc], it’s true that there could have been more of him, or he could at least be mentioned in the Avengers movie, to build up to TWS), it’s still pretty cool.
I found the commentary deadly dull - there is mostly talk about what lenses they used to film what scenes and almost nothing about characterization - but yeah, Johnston does talk about how Bucky survived the fall because of what Zola did to him (which I guess works just as well as the comics explanation of him being dead but frozen and so able to be revived - I don’t really have a high standard of science for comics as long as it’s not Superboy Prime punched the space-time continuum I’m okay) in order to set up for a possible Winter Soldier appearance on down the line. While I understand why all the great Sad Steve Is Sad stuff was cut out of Avengers, I don’t understand why Bucky didn’t feature more heavily in that section, and also in Steve’s flashback while he’s punching things - that was definitely a mistake, imo, especially since I would guess Marvel knew by that point what they wanted to do in Cap 2.
Steve Rogers and Natasha Romanoff
From “Secret Avengers vol.#1”
tidbits from Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely Talk CAPTAIN AMERICA 2 and THOR 2 that I found interesting:
Production only just began on Captain America: The Winter Soldier. When Steve spoke with the screenwriters as they were just beginning…
Just in case anyone forgot that Steve is capable of biting sarcasm and sass.
This is pretty meta, too.
Reputedly a scene was filmed where during the final battle Captain America saves an old man trying to protect his grandchildren. He tells him to ‘Get them to cover’ but as he walks away the old man asks him “Cap, is that really you?’. He turns and noting the man’s World War 2 veteran lapel pin trades salutes with him. As Captain America sprints away the children ask their grandfather ‘Do you know him?’ and he replies ‘We all know him’.
not sure if want to drown in feels or peel you out of your uniform under the spurious guise of cleaning you up and then do bad bad things to you
Why wasn’t this scene in the movie? It shows Steve Roger’s gentle side. He was a sweetheart the entire movie but this would have been great for my feels.
Does anyone else think Captain America gets kind of a crap deal during The Avengers? I don’t think it had ever really occurred to me because Cap’s not my favorite so I wasn’t really inclined to see him as treated unfairly before. But frankly in terms of action sequences or memorable bad-ass moments Cap really gets the short end of the stick.
I realize it has to do with the limitations of his super-powers compared to the other Big Three (Iron Man, Hulk, and Thor). He’s not as capable of large scale destruction as they are, he can’t fly, he has limited long-range capabilities and he’s more physically vulnerable than those three. He’s more of a halfway point between the “superhuman” abilities of the Big Three and the “extraordinary” abilities of the SHIELD Two (Natasha and Clint). Its no coincidence that Cap spends most of the Battle of New York on the ground with those two; and they’re more focused on the protection of civilians than the Big Three who engaged in an offensive mission.
Let’s take a look at Steve’s big moments in the Avengers:
When we meet him he’s been doing little more than keeping himself from being bored; we know that he hadn’t been given his new uniform yet and the events of The Avengers happens very soon after his being unfrozen so its unlikely he’d been sent on any serious missions yet.
His first big scene is to fight off Loki in Germany; he holds his own admirably well against a god but Iron Man intervenes before the fight reaches any kind of conclusion.
In the mountaintop battle between Iron Man and Thor, Cap only pops in to break things up, his shield reflects Thor’s hammer blow but we don’t actually see Cap fighting anyone.
Its during the helicarrier battle that it occurred to me how much Captain America is under-utilized. While Thor and the Hulk fight in one of the movie’s coolest scenes, Iron Man singlehandedly saves the ship from falling, and Hawkeye and Black Widow engage in some bad-ass hand to hand combat, Steve struggles to fight off two invaders with guns. It highlights how weak Steve is made out to be against distance weapons without his shield. After taking out one henchman, he’s held at bay by a single guy with a machine gun despite having his own. For a super soldier he’s apparently a terrible shot with a gun.
Admittedly he has some cool scenes during the Battle of New York, I’m especially fond of his parkour run and leap off the exploding bus and the bank scene is good if not great for him. But can you see Steve helping take out a Leviathan? The fact remains that as one of Marvel’s major characters he’s very much under-utilized in terms of combat.
Now, if you’re still reading this I commend you for sticking with my essay but here’s the part where I explain why.
Despite being the “super soldier”, Captain America is meant to be the character who is the least warrior-like. He’s a man who has seen war, he has led troops and he has lost troops and he has seen the innocent suffer in war. Steve Rogers provides much more to The Avengers than cool action sequences. He is the heart and soul of the movie. And he is the most harmed by the absence of the deleted scenes which best showcase his role. Captain America in The Avengers is not the Warrior, he’s not even really the Soldier. He’s the Protector. And being the Protector doesn’t come with the most memorable scenes or the most gif-able action sequences but without him The Avengers wouldn’t be such a great movie. Sure, it would be good but it would be on the lines of a Michael Bay action film (lotsa shit blown up real good), instead of the great movie it is, full of action but also real drama and heart.
Submitted by monofthedead
Damn it, now I want all the fic where Steve is found and thawed in the mid-60s and moves in with Peggy.